Why is the Irish slave trade not spoken about?

Question by : Why is the Irish slave trade not spoken about?
Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history books? Why is it so seldom discussed?

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade.

James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.

Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish.Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.

The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.

Truly horrifying and disgusting. Why is this not taught or spoken about?

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Answer by ♕ Ty ♕
I know that Ireland broke off from the United Kingdom and gained their independence at one point. But this kind of slave trade is new to me.

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Asking divorced women about this, any help would be appreciated.?

Question by Bk T: Asking divorced women about this, any help would be appreciated.?
I was starting a relationship with a woman who was a good friend and was getting a divorce. We got along great, but we had to be discreet because of pending divorce,ect. Now she is divorced and she attacked everything about me and dumped me. She says that I only wanted the good and not the bad, and that she is afraid her ex will tell her young son about how we met, ect. She dumped me and now is running around dating on the internet because she says that she doesn’t want to settle down, she wants to live life to the fullest. She says she loves me but timing is everything and its not our time. I am obviously crushed because this went on for 2 years and now she wont have anything to do with me. She tells me she is being selfish and that she is trying to find a guy like me but wont take me because of her kid finding out about us ect. Whats going on? I want to repair our friendship but I think she is too far gone.
I spoke with her ex husband and she called him and yelled at him telling him he is the reason we are not together. He said she told him that we would be together but he was going to tell their son how they met. This was the day after Valentines.

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Civil War Veteran John Denton; about 1910.

Civil War Veteran John Denton; about 1910.
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John Denton volunteered to join Company B (Monroe County, Tennessee), 3rd Tennessee Regiment of Confederate Volunteers in Knoxville, TN on May 23rd, 1861. He participated in the First Battle of Manassas and while serving under Brig. Gen. Kirby Smith (and Col. Arnold Elzey) helped crush Union Col. Oliver O. Howard’s brigade to begin the Union retreat back to Washington, DC. Later deserted the CSA while back in East Tennessee and on May 7, 1863 enlisted for three years at Lebanon, Kentucky in Company D, 11th Tennessee Cavalry, Union Army Volunteers. All three of the Denton’s are my great grandmother Mary Denton-Moser’s older brothers. This photo was taken in Texas.

Great grandpa Louis Henry Moser had five uncles that served in the CSA. Three surrendered at Vicksburg and took the oath of allegiance. Peter Moser Jr., while serving under General Longstreet, died of disease and was buried in a mass grave in Strawberry Plains, TN. Andrew Jackson "Blind Jack" Moser was blinded during the war. None of the Moser’s served in the Union Army. Unfortunately I have no photographs of the Moser’s that I’m aware of.

There is much more to the story of Uncle John Denton. Most of the story is here: members.aol.com/atsissie1/page/index.htm . Family lore relates that John Denton was captured by Confederate soldiers that lived near him and sent off to be executed for desertion; he escaped his captors. It is known that Alfred Denton, the father of the Denton brothers, was a “strong Union Man”. The Brick house where the Curtis brothers of the Confederate Army were murdered by John Denton was said to be haunted by their ghosts. A lady who lived in the house for many years told me she never witnessed any ghosts and that the murders took place in the stairwell to the second story. The ante-bellum Curtis house was demolished by Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) for Tellico Lake about 1970. If the house was haunted, the ghosts are under the cold waters of Tellico Lake.

Also, in 1865 John Denton married Cordelia Howard, the daughter of a wealthy merchant from Monroe County, TN named Johnson Howard. I once saw a photo of Cordelia and she was a stunningly beautiful woman. It’s rumored that Cordilia was pregnant out of wedlock, by one of her fathers slaves and John was paid ,000 to marry her to “legitimize” the baby boy and state that he was "part Cherokee" to explain the dark complexion of the baby. Three more children were born to John and Cordilia until they divorced and abandoned the children to the care of Dorcus Click-Denton, John’s elderly widowed mother. When Dorcus Denton passed away the children went to live with the Howard’s. Cordelia met another man and went to Ohio with him where she committed suicide by hanging herself. For more on Cordellia see this link: archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/DENTON/1997-08/0871781476 John Denton lived a “loose” lifestyle for the rest of his life and is buried in Monroe County, TN near Ballplay Road. He was especially close to his little sister Margaret Denton-Mullins and would stay for long periods of time at their home in Monroe County, Tennessee telling stories of his life to his numerous nephews and nieces. Cordelia was the Aunt of Tom Howard who was a central figure in and was killed in the Howard-McGee feud that took place in Monroe County and Knoxville in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. John’s nephew, a Murr, was also killed in the first round of shooting in the feud. The feud can be found in the book "Valley So Wild" by Carson Brewer and will rival the Hatfield’s and the McCoy’s.

John Denton died on Aug 12, 1912 and on his grave marker in the Prospect Cemetery is inscribed: "Died Age 70 Years.
Uncle you have left us,
left us yes for ever more
but we hope to meet you on that bright and happy shore"

John Denton’s granddaughter was Nan Denton of Denton’s Orange Julius. Life can take unpredictable twists and turns.

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John Denton (First_Last)
Regiment Name 3 (Lillard’s) Tennessee Mounted Infantry.
Side Confederate
Company B
Soldier’s Rank_In Private
Soldier’s Rank_Out Private
Alternate Name
Notes
Film Number M231 roll 12
CONFEDERATE TENNESSEE TROOPS

3rd Regiment, Tennessee Mounted Infantry (Lillard’s)

Also called 3rd Confederate Infantry; 3rd Tennessee Cavalry Regiment; or 3rd Tennessee Mounted Infantry Regiment (Lillard’s)

Identified in Units of The Confederate States Army by Joseph H. Crute, Jr., as the 3rd Infantry Regiment Provisional Army with the following history:
3rd Infantry Regiment Provisional Army was organized in May, 1861, at Knoxville, Tennessee, and mustered into Confederate service in June at Lynchburg, Virginia. Its members were recruited in the counties of Knox, Monroe, Jefferson, Polk, Blount, McMinn, Meigs, and Sullivan. The unit was engaged at Manassas, then during February 1862, returned to Tennessee. It then fought at Tazewell and Cumberland Gap and later was involved in the Kentucky operations. It moved to Mississippi and East Louisiana, it was captured at Vicksburg on July 3, 1863. Exchanged and reorganized as cavalry, the regiment was assigned to Vaughn’s Brigade. It participated in the Knoxville Campaign, fought at Piedmont and with Early in the Shenandoah Valley, and skirmished in East Tennessee. In April, 1865, it moved to Charlotte, North Carolina, and became part of President Davis’ escort, until surrendering at Washington, Georgia, on May 9.

This unit reported 4 casulties at First Manassas, 187 at Raymond, and 47 at Piedmont. In May, 1864, it had 199 officers and men fit for duty.
The field officers were Colonels Newton J. Lillard and John C. Vaughn; Lieutenant Colonels David C. Haskins, John J. Reese, and Samuel Tool; and Majors Joseph C. Boyd, William C. Morelock, and George W. Morgan.

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John Denton (First_Last)
Regiment Name 11 Tennessee Cavalry
Side Union
Company D
Soldier’s Rank_In Pvi
Soldier’s Rank_Out Pvi
Alternate Name
Notes
Film Number M392 roll 4

UNION TENNESSEE VOLUNTEERS

11th Regiment, Tennessee Cavalry

Organized at large May to October, 1863. Attached to Willcox’s Division, Left Wing Forces 23rd Army Corps, Dept. of the Ohio, to January, 1864. District of the Clinch to April, 1864. 1st Brigade, 4th Division, 23rd Army Corps, Dept. of the Ohio, to January, 1865.

SERVICE.-Joined DeCourcy at Crab Orchard, Ky., August 24, 1863. March to Cumberland Gap September 24-October 3. Operations about Cumberland Gap till February, 1864. Mulberry Creek January 3. Tazewell January 24. Near Jonesville January 28-29. Skirmishes on Jonesville and Mulberry Roads February 12. Gibson and Wyerman’s Mills on Indian Creek, and at Powell’s Bridge February 22. Duty at and about Cumberland Gap guarding communications with Knoxville till January, 1865. Action at Johnsonville, Tenn., November 4-5, 1864. Mustered out by consolidation with 9th Tennessee Cavalry January 9, 1865.

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Why don’t schools ever talk about the white slaves like the Irish?

Question by Tai: Why don’t schools ever talk about the white slaves like the Irish?
I’m not talking about “inedtured servents” but real slaves, in it’s very definition.

The African slave trade was just beginning during about the same timeframe.
African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.

During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.

From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.

There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

sorry i had a little copy/pasta
http://afgen.com/forgotten_slaves.html

but anyway, even if you ever go to the West Indies the brown light-skinned people you see are most likely combination of Irish and African, and even Chinese cuz I heard about chinese slaves too(which they never taught in my school). and people like to say “Oh that’s white rape blood if you’re light skinned” ummn no, who’s to say that it wasn’t some Irish slave back in the 1600s or 1700s that got it on with an African slave? Chinese, African, and white slaves all have brought up what some people look like today.

I seriously have never been taught about white slaves(and i live in SC) OR chinese slaves until I read about it outside of school. thats messed upp…
my ancestry has Irish and I never knew this.. i mean i’m part chinese/okinawan too but thats cuz my grandma is from hawaii and they were actual labour workers under contracts…
i can’t belive it.. all this time i’ve been told only about african slaves..
LOL vivi

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Answer by Austin w
dam i had no idea there were white slaves

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it is a guesthing,what by soon about divorce and adultery.?

Question by Ammi K: it is a guesthing,what by soon about divorce and adultery.?
yes,down is a guesthing,up is the bible of matthew.A have question: Women Divorce yesterday her husband,the day is Sunday,SHE tell to I live with her ?
I can this PREY,but no do in action.I this want to live with her[to stop her to sin,she have two husband ],I can’t marry her,why then I will sin[adultery], it in, Matthew 5:32 >>

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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
But I can guarantee that any man who divorces his wife for any reason other than unfaithfulness makes her look as though she has committed adultery. Whoever marries a woman divorced in this way makes himself look as though he has committed adultery.

King James Bible
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery., I soon tell I talk,then she talk about pains put to move, I tell sex in marriage,then when I good remember I tell do she ,divorce the husband,SHE tell me yesterday[sunday] she divorce the husband, SHE tell to me live with me,PLease,I write the chapther of the bible,then she tell to me: live with me,Please,when I good remember SHE tell me this and I tell this to her,that is importing,to all christian online[who do in action the bible ,fallow JESUS,to all christian online,to all friends christian online,this REAlly christian and do bible in action] that what I tell soon about:SHE want: PLEASE live with me[to I live with her],SHE no read bible,she think it is no sin[to have two husband],I this tell her love of GOD,I be this your friend and I can have a GIRLFRIEND,I tell her about bible,I no want to marry her,no want to have children with her,I this want to live with her[to stop her to sin,have two husband ],I like to help[my hobby is Bible,do the word of bible,PREACH the GOSPEL,HOLLI SPIRIT is JOY,LOVE,KINDNESS,PEACE,self control,it is importhing to me,to you and other christian people answer that guesting

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